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 Post subject: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:23 pm 
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Hi all - Today is cold Hi 50 F but sunny. I haven't taken pictures in a few days - so I decided to try taking a few pictures inside of the greenhouse. With inside shade open and bright Texas sun - this might just work.

One of my photo subject is this Phal venosa that I have mounted on tree fern. This plant has grown very well - several buds and flowers. I still have not quite getting the flower quality that I saw in Taiwan - but I'm working on it.

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Earlier this year - April 2008 - I shared my disappointment that after waiting several month for the seed capsule - seed bursted during the time when I was transitioning my greenhouse. Below is the link to the original thread

http://forum.bigleaforchids.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5771&p=35915&hilit=venosa+seed#p35915

While I was taking taking pictures - I noticed some small leaves at the base of plants. At first I thought they are just weeds - but upon taking a closer look, I see that they are baby orchids !! This just made my day ! Well, today is a good day - but that's another story.

I have only read in books that seedlings can germinate when you sprinkle mature seeds from opened seed pod to potting mix. I have yet to experience this first hand. In nature, the chance of seed germination is rare. In a greenhouse, this is also not likely due to frequent repotting. In this case, the seeds found the fungus they need in the old moss to germinate. You can tell from the black mold and algae, I have not replaced sphagnum moss since I mounted this plant - about 3 years now.

Anyway, I am thrilled. I hope you enjoy these pictures too. :-)

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As you can tell from the photos - this plant is flowering on both new and existing infl. This plant has flower on and off - but it's nearly the peak of flowering. I may consider showing this for judging if timing is right. But generally judges don't like to see flowers on old infl. I just hope that when a plant has tons of flowers then judges would not be as crictical with flowers on old infl.

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I have a few Phal venosa in flower. Here is one from Orchid Konnection that the flower quality looks pretty good. This one is 'OK Select'

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I tried to put pollen from Tony's doweryensis on HP's Phal venosa, alas it did not take. I probably should preserve some pollen of Phal venosa so that I can put it on Phal doweryensis when my plant flowers 2 month from now. It's just spiking.

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:30 pm 
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This is very cool... Good job Peter, you don't need a lab! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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suss16 wrote:
This is very cool... Good job Peter, you don't need a lab! :lol:


Thanks Tony ! Yup.. I think there might be 10 seedlings. That's all I need. ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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That is so cool! I have read that the early growers in England had some, very limited, success in propagating orchids using the materials found around the orchids but having it happen in your greenhouse must be very exciting!

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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WOW!! Peter that is excellent!! Congratulations! I bet the look on your face was priceless when you saw those babies!!


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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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Man, what a nice Friday treat to discover! Excellent Peter! This venosa is really, really nice and you have grown it exceptionally well. You should try and show it for judging! Now, the seedlings...that is a great sib cross. Should have really strong color and nice, full form. Will be fun to see at what point you harvest the seedlings from this plants moss. That could pose to be tricky I imagine! I'd definately like to stand in line for one of these. They should be nice, and they have a cool story! Great culture huh! :D

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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That's awesome. Why am I learning all this lab stuff?

Maybe one day I'll find a really nice venosa with a good pattern and color.

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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peterlin wrote:
In this case, the seeds found the bacteria they need in the old moss to germinate. You can tell from the black mold and algae, I have not replaced sphagnum moss since I mounted this plant - about 3 years now.
That's a cool story and great pictures, Peter! Congratulations! :D Well, just a note: it was not thanks to a bacteria but thanks to a fungus that the seeds germinated.

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That's awesome. Why am I learning all this lab stuff?
Maybe because Peter had a great chance with this germination? You will have better chance to germinate seeds with your lab work! :wink:


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Thanks Alain. I made the correction to fungus to this "symbiotic" germination.

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That's so cool! At least you have a change of getting something out of the cross now!


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AAAAAAAHHHH

This soooo cool and super awesome especially for a science geek like me!


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Hi Peter,

Glad to see that you are still creating new ways to pollinate plants. That is just incredible! I have yet to see someone do that before.. Question still remains, would you take them off at this point? or would you wait until you get 3 leaves and then take em out?

Hope everyone on the panel is doing okay.. =)

Sorry that I have been away.. I have started a new job and it's really time consuming and exhusting for me..

If I don't appear on the forum soon.. I wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and a wonderful Christmas!

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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Hey Rob, thank you. Happy holidays to you too. Re Phal venosa seedlings, I plan to leave them be for now. Maybe revisit them in couple month to see if they are large enough to be potted up.

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 Post subject: Re: OMG - Great news to share on Phal venosa seeds
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Very cool...

(I had the same thing happen to one of my "garden" Cypripedium parviflorums... every year the seed pods mature and rupture into the garden, and I never gave it a second thought. About 3 years ago, I noticed a ring of tiny plantlets growing around the main clump. They are almost big enough this year to be transplanted elsewhere in the garden.)

Neat set of pictures too!

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so cool ! :shock: and such a great plant !

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