Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

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Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by Brooke » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:20 pm

I have been waiting patiently (NOT) for these two plants to bloom. Finally :>)

Phal. tetraspis

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Phal. tetraspis var. speciosa

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Even more exciting is I have a L-O-N-G coveted species winging it's way to KY as I type. This year June has been even better than Christmas!

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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by HIDLIGHTMIKE » Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:32 pm

Both your tetraspis look great, very nice pictures!
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Post by Mortimor » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:57 pm

love the first one!
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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by Tindomul1of9 » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:06 pm

Gorgeous! The first one is my favorite. Very elegant!
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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by suss16 » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:00 pm

Both of these are great - really great. What is the "difference" between a tetraspis and a var. speciosa?

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Post by cabnc » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:14 pm

Those are both fantastic !! I need to get rid of some of these hybrids to make room for more species :D

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Post by OrchidTess » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:49 pm

Really nice Brooke! Great job! I like them both....the little spot in the top petal is really unique!
And what Tony said, "what is the difference"?

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Post by Ben Belton » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:56 pm

Those are awesome. Why have I not gotten one. The Wu's had one at Redlands too. It got gone early.
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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by DarylD » Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:43 pm

Brooke,

I don't typically like the barring pattern on most tetraspis, but I really like this one! Very dark red barring! :)

Brooke wrote:Even more exciting is I have a L-O-N-G coveted species winging it's way to KY as I type. This year June has been even better than Christmas!

Brooke


Well? Are you going to tell us what the "L-O-N-G coveted species" is? :?

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Post by Gillian » Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:30 pm

I love these, but particularly the first one. I'm not usually crazy about the barring in this species either but that one is great. I too have been trying to figure out the difference between a tetraspis and a var. speciosa.

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Post by pinonmountains » Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:02 pm

Speciosa should be a species in itself, not a variety, per my understanding. Often plants were sold as speciosa, but were either pulchras, or tetraspis plants. Did a true speciosa ever come into cultivation again, scientifically recognized and in compliance with the type material, under which the species was described?

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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by peterlin » Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:34 pm

pinonmountains wrote:Did a true speciosa ever come into cultivation again, scientifically recognized and in compliance with the type material, under which the species was described?

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As a matter of fact - it has. Last week I shipped a plant labeled as Phal tetraspis 'C#1' to a customer. We were very lucky that Dr. Leslie Garay, a world respected taxonomist, was visiting my customer and we got the benefit of his extreme knowledge. Dr. Garay advised my customer that this plant is not tetraspis but IS speciosa. There is a good bit of information on it at Kew and speciosa is a species that is highly variable including one type in particular which they have given variety status.

A flower was preserved and sent to Dr. Garay to use scientific method for identification.

Dr. Garay said the flower arrived in A+ condition and identified the flower as Phal speciosa. I have this in writing.

Because what I shipped to my customer is a clone - so now we can correctly rename Phal tetraspis 'C#1' as Phal speciosa 'C#1'.

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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by Toapel » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:41 pm

Hello Peter,

but what are the differences? What was the basis for Mr. Garay to identify the plant as speciosa? On the pictures is nothing to see that this flower is different from tetraspis except the color.

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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by kenavant » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:22 pm

All, there are many diferent propereries that the differant species have. Dr. Garay has the advantage of having information from the original ID, as well as any information he may require from the original ID. Dr. Garay is well respected within the orchid word as an AUTHORITY. He did assist Herman Sweet on the publication of "The Genus Phalaenopsis". Dr. Garay is considered an " Authority" by even Eric Christenson. This should be considered a positive ID to a species that has not been ID in cultivation in the recent past.

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Re: Phal. tetraspis & tetraspis var. speciosa

Post by pinonmountains » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:57 am

So Peter, there is a chance that the "tetraspis C1" is now speciosa? I have one of those (smile). The fragrance of this plant is different from the fragrance of my tetraspis plants per my fragrance expert at home. Or was this specific plant an "exception" from the C1 population?

Now serious, the funny thing is that we were discussing the issue "tetraspis versus speciosa" some years ago in connection with C1 in this forum, if I recall this correctly.

I saw that Dwayne Lodwer has been offering speciosa plants for some time, now.

Matthias

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